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FindingKing
04-28-2006, 12:12 PM
This article was obtained from the following link:
http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/003731.html

New Google Sandbox Theory: "Flattening Effect of Page Rank Interations"
There is a new WebmasterWorld thread that made it to the front page very quick named Flattening Effect of Page Rank Interations - explains the "sandbox"? I feel like I have to quote the majority of the post for you to understand this new Sandbox theory that many in the thread find "refreshing" and "intelligent."

Note the PageRank equation (sans filters) is:

PR(A) = (1-d) + d (PR(T1)/C(T1) + ... + PR(Tn)/C(Tn)) .

The first observation about this equation is that it can only be calculated after a statistically significant number of iterations.

If you analyze a site with 5 pages that all link to each other (the homepage having an initial PageRank of roughly 3.5), what you see in the first iteration of PageRank is that the homepage is PR 3.5, and all other pages are PR .365 – the largest PR gap that will ever exist through multiple iterations in this example.

This homepage PR represents a surge in PR because Google has not yet calculated PR distribution, therefore the homepage has an artificial and temporary inflation of PR (which explains the sudden and transient PR surge and hence SERPs).

In the second iteration, the homepage goes down to PR 1.4 (a drop of over 50%!), and the secondary pages get lifted to .9, explaining the disappearing effect of “new” sites. Dramatic fluctuations continue until about the 12th iteration when the homepage equilibrates at about a lowly 2.2, with other pages at about .7.

I believe that the duration of the “sandbox” is the same amount of time it takes Google to iterate through its PageRank calculations.

Therefore, I think that the “sandbox” is nothing other than the time it takes Google to iterate through the number of calculations uniquely needed to equilibrate the volume of links for a given site.

Did you digest that? WebmasterWorld Administrator, tedster, adds that deep links may "short circuit the flattening effect that PR iterations might produce, especially if they were added at decent intervals." To which an other WebmasterWorld Administrator, trillianjedi, adds "You have to begin to consider whether actually the entire PageRank system of old has been replaced with something entirely different....." but he continues to explain that this and all the other theories are speculation, which is why these threads are so enjoyable.

Google has continued to say that PageRank is used and part of the algorithms. Many SEOs believe it is only used now (1) to determine which site should rank higher when site A and site B are equal in all other characteristics (like that ever happens) and (2) to determine the crawl frequency of certain documents. But maybe this theory is right, or maybe it is wrong - maybe Google is using PageRank for this purpose? Who knows....

specialdelivery
05-07-2006, 10:14 AM
Thank you for sharing this article and summarizing it for us. I have been wondering what has been happening with pagerank as I have seen many sites jump to the top that don't seem to deserve to be there. Whereas we have been around for three years and lately our pages have been doing strange things with regard to pagerank. This helps explain a lot! Thanks again!

Jennifer Chesley
Special Delivery Baby Showers

elliot
05-18-2006, 10:55 PM
"The best advice I can give is don't worry or over think or try to strategize too hard over is -- or isn't -- there a sandbox. Just make a great site, with great content and a normal reason why people would want to link to you and visit your site. A compelling reason why people would want to link to your site. And that's going to help you capture the mind of the blogosphere and that's really the best way to let search engines find out about you too."

Matt Cutts, quoted (on tape) by ClickZ Network's Mike Grehan
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makphisto
05-19-2006, 09:55 AM
PR(A) = (1-d) + d (PR(T1)/C(T1) + ... + PR(Tn)/C(Tn))


Math is hard!

Painless Parker
08-06-2006, 08:25 PM
Probably because I haven't been at this since the days of Gopher and Pine, I find this thread confusing.

I can understand how an early spike in PR -- like what a presidential candidate gets after his nominating convention -- can disappear after the crawler goes through a certain number of iterations.

What I can't understand is how this relates to the sandbox ... I thought that when you were in the sandbox it meant you didn't show up on Google at all?
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thietkelogo
03-31-2012, 04:57 AM
I started SEO for my thiet ke logo site for 2 months, i am posting my link in about 30 sites (forum, bookmark...) per day. And my website is ranked in number 5 of the first google page if i search in my country. Do you think i buil backlink in many sites (about 30 sites) per day, do you think google will sandbox my site. Because i found that my site is getting high rank very fast.

donjon
03-31-2012, 06:08 AM
yes this is true i also thought math is really hard to understand for me

turkeyhomes
04-02-2012, 02:58 AM
The article is 6 years old now and has limited relevance today. A video from Matt Cutts of Google on the subject of building links can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnquaBa6DSk
Although this is dated 2010 it is more relevant to current Google thinking.